{"id":124594,"date":"2026-05-26T15:48:25","date_gmt":"2026-05-26T19:48:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/?p=124594"},"modified":"2026-05-26T15:48:25","modified_gmt":"2026-05-26T19:48:25","slug":"interview-cathedral-bluffs-symphony-orchestra-presents-darkness-light-mahlers-second","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/2026\/05\/26\/interview-cathedral-bluffs-symphony-orchestra-presents-darkness-light-mahlers-second\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW | The Cathedral Bluffs Symphony Orchestra Presents Darkness To Light: Mahler\u2019s Second"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_124596\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-124596\" style=\"width: 1200px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-124596\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T153310.396.jpg\" alt=\"L: Cathedral Bluffs Symphony Orchestra Music Director Martin MacDonald (Photo courtesy of CSBO); R: Composer Gustav Mahler (Public domain)\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T153310.396.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T153310.396-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T153310.396-1024x536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T153310.396-768x402.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-124596\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">L: Cathedral Bluffs Symphony Orchestra Music Director Martin MacDonald (Photo courtesy of CSBO); R: Composer Gustav Mahler (Public domain)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The Cathedral Bluffs Symphony Orchestra will end their 2025\/26 season with Mahler\u2019s epic Symphony No. 2 in C minor, Resurrection. <strong>Martin MacDonald<\/strong> conducts, and the performance also features soprano Emily Rocha, mezzo-soprano <strong>Queen Hezumuryango<\/strong>, and <strong>Pax Christi Chorale<\/strong> with Artistic Director <strong>Elaine Choi<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>The concert takes place on May 30, 2026.<\/p>\n<p>LV talked to Music Director Martin MacDonald, and vocalists Emily Rocha and Queen Hezumuryango about the concert.<\/p>\n<h2>Mahler Symphony No. 2 in C minor Resurrection<\/h2>\n<p>Mahler wrote his Resurrection Symphony Between 1888 and 1894, and it proved to be one of the most successful works. It was performed for the first time in 1895.<\/p>\n<p>The Resurrection Symphony is a massive work, lasting 80 to 90 minutes. It began as a single movement symphonic poem titled Totenfeier or Funeral Rites, which he completed in 1888. Years went by as he considered whether or not to add to it, making it the first movement of a symphony. He intended on using a chorus in the final movement, and felt that it would inevitably be compared to Beethoven\u2019s iconic Symphony No. 9.<\/p>\n<p>He also searched for the right text for the vocal components. During the 1890s, the composer worked at the Hamburg Opera, where he came to know conductor Hans von B\u00fclow. When the maestro died in 1894, at his funeral Mahler heard a musical setting for Friedrich Gottlieb Klopstock&#8217;s poem \u201cDie Auferstehung\u201d or The Resurrection, and he was instantly struck by it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt struck me like lightning, this thing,\u201d he wrote to conductor Anton Seidl, \u201cand everything was revealed to me clear and plain.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mahler used the first two verses of Kopstock\u2019s poem in his symphony, adding words of his own. Over repeated performances, he developed a narrative program to go along with the work, indicating that the first movement represented a funeral, and asking the question \u201cIs there life after death?\u201d He later removed the program notes, but the mood remains.<\/p>\n<p>From the second movement, the piece moves through happy remembrances to the emptiness of life as a meaningless journey, resulting in the desire to be released from it. The final and fifth movement ends with the hope of renewal and resurrection.<\/p>\n<h2>Martin MacDonald: The Interview<\/h2>\n<p>The two vocalists were both part of the Canadian Opera Company\u2019s Ensemble Studio, <strong>Queen Hezumuryango<\/strong> from 2022 to 2025, and <strong>Emily Rocha<\/strong> from 2024, ending her term this year.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt was sort of by coincidence that, at the time when we selected, they were both in the Ensemble Studio,\u201d MacDonald says.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cQueen, I got to know last summer when she was Carmen at the Brott Music Festival,\u201d he explains. \u201cI had already asked her to be part of this Mahler Resurrection Symphony at that point. She was very excited to take it on.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It certainly offers a singer a juicy, expressive part.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis particular symphony for the mezzo soprano, the fourth movement, it\u2019s just one of the most gorgeous pieces of music that has ever been written, to my mind.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s part of the composer\u2019s gift. \u201cMahler was so equally capable of creating the softest, most delicate passages you could ever create, at the same time as creating the most bombastic.\u201d MacDonald cites Mahler\u2019s control over the orchestra and instrumentation. \u201c[He had] an immense skill for that.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>The Newest Edition<\/h3>\n<p>\u201cI kind of made a big deal of playing the most recent edition of this symphony,\u201d Martin says. \u201cThis symphony has gone through a few editions over the last 100 years or so. Mahler liked to change things during rehearsals.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The composer enjoyed conducting his symphony, as MacDonald explains, and often made notes on the fly. \u201cChanges would not always get transcribed into the parts, or get taken down properly,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe went to expense of renting the parts from Europe. And it\u2019s really paid off \u2014 we don\u2019t spend oodles of time in rehearsals fixing tiny mistakes from previous editions. These tiny changes that he would make \u2014 like starting a diminuendo earlier \u2014 it changes the trajectory of the phrase,\u201d he adds, \u201csimilar with all his symphonies.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The European up to date version was an investment. \u201cI got the score, the most recent edition, and it cost a small fortune. But it came with an annex, a second book that is 206 pages long of 10 point font explaining all the changes to the work,\u201d MacDonald continues.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt saves time,\u201d he says, \u201cespecially when you\u2019re dealing with a piece as big as this. The last movement is like a symphony of itself. The first movement is like a symphony of itself. There is so much emotional weight, and things to consider.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>Collaborators<\/h3>\n<p>Soprano Emily Rocha will be at the Brott Opera this summer, where she\u2019ll also be working with MacDonald.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd then of course, <strong>Pax Christi Chorale<\/strong>. We had them sing our Beethoven 9 at the opening of last season, and it was such a really lovely partnership in every way. Musical and otherwise,\u201d he says. \u201cAs soon as we started thinking about the Mahler, we thought of Pax right away. Elaine, their director, is really lovely.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The regular orchestra will be bolstered with additional musicians to create the massive sound Mahler envisioned.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe orchestra is huge. We\u2019re lucky. This is our 40th season closing concert, and there\u2019s no better way to close an anniversary season,\u201d MacDonald says.<\/p>\n<p>The orchestra will be augmented by musicians who\u2019ve previously guested with CBSO, as well as new players.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a huge brass section, and a massive wind section \u2014 and you need enough strings to balance that out. It\u2019s everything and the kitchen sink,\u201d Martin says. \u201cIt\u2019s a nice way to end the 40th season by being able to invite so many friends back to celebrate.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It wasn\u2019t hard to persuade people.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe other thing too is, Mahler\u2019s Resurrection Symphony, it doesn\u2019t matter who you speak to musician-wise, whether it\u2019s seasoned veterans or amateur musicians [&#8230;] everybody says, yes, I\u2019d love to play that. There are so many epic moments.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"jetpack-video-wrapper\"><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/eGiZPDLMGEM?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/div>\n<p>When he was making the video, MacDonald came to a realization.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt dawned on me, that this is my favourite piece of music of all time. For me, Mahler Resurrection is my absolute favourite piece. It\u2019s kind of travelled with me for four decades now.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>He relates that he first played it in the Nova Scotia Youth Orchestra at age 15. \u201cThis piece absorbed every part of me. I was cello no. 13 in a section of 13,\u201d he recalls. \u201cThe only place they could find that could hold us all was the field house at St Mary\u2019s University.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In his 20s, at McGill University, he served as assistant conductor for a performance of Mahler 2. In his 30s, he prepared it as associate conductor.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNow that I\u2019m in my 40s, I finally get to conduct it,\u201d he says. It\u2019s a piece that occupies a special place in his musical life. \u201cIf I\u2019m between scores, I\u2019ll pull it out and study it again. It\u2019s that one piece that really grabs you,\u201d he adds. \u201cIt\u2019s a tour de force to conduct. It\u2019s that kind of a piece, you have to throw yourself into it lock stock and barrel. It doesn\u2019t let up.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>Mahler and His Music<\/h3>\n<p>\u201cMahler came from the unique perspective of conducting his own music,\u201d MacDonald says. \u201cHe was obsessive about it. It had to be exactly to his wishes,\u201d he adds. \u201cEvery symphony comes with a German-English dictionary so you can decipher his lengthy instructions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mahler\u2019s Second is a marathon for the musicians.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt starts at minute one, and at minute 80, you\u2019re still going without a break,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>Mahler dealt with ill health throughout his lifetime, and died in 1911 of endocarditis, a bacterial infection. He\u2019d also dealt with many tragedies, including the death of siblings as well as his own daughter at age four. As MacDonald points out, many scholars feel that his search for meaning and spiritual salvation came in part from his own existential demons.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt starts off so dark, that first movement is so dark, and it goes to that brightest possible moment in the last movement,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAt the end of the day, we\u2019ve had a great season,\u201d Martin says. \u201cTo finish off with Mahler, there\u2019s no better way to do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_124597\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-124597\" style=\"width: 1200px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-124597\" src=\"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T154616.036.jpg\" alt=\"L: Mezzo-soprano Queen Hezumuryango; R: Soprano Emily Rocha (Photos: Stan Gaetz)\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T154616.036.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T154616.036-300x157.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T154616.036-1024x536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2026\/05\/Copy-of-Copy-of-INTERVIEW-2026-05-26T154616.036-768x402.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-124597\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">L: Mezzo-soprano Queen Hezumuryango; R: Soprano Emily Rocha (Photos: Stan Gaetz)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2>The Vocalists: Emily Rocha and Queen Hezumuryango<\/h2>\n<p>Neither featured vocalist has performed the work previously.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis will be my first time,\u201d says Emily Rocha. \u201cI&#8217;m very excited though, it&#8217;s an epic work. I love Mahler.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s amazing opportunity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>LV caught up with both singers a few days before rehearsals began.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI think it will be really interesting starting the whole rehearsal process, because my part is at the end,\u201d says Rocha. \u201cA lot of my part is with the chorus. I&#8217;m keeping my approach flexible. I don&#8217;t want to stick out too much in those parts, but I want to merge with that sound.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Both vocalists have been listening to multiple versions of the work in preparation for their parts. \u201cThat video of Joyce DiDonato doing this piece, I actually found it really helpful,\u201d Rocha shares. It\u2019s a deep dive into the work from a diva who\u2019s performed it multiple times.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI learn so much by watching how other people prepare,\u201d adds Hezumuryango.<\/p>\n<p>While the soloists\u2019 parts occur in the final movement, it\u2019s still necessary to gain a feel for the arc of the work as it progresses prior to that. It\u2019s important to be part of the work as a whole.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cEspecially a piece that is so established in the canon, and has meant a lot to a lot of different people over the years,\u201d adds Queen Hezumuryango.<\/p>\n<p>Mahler\u2019s philosophical quest resonates with us all, as Hezumuryango points out. \u201cThe questions that humanity has been asking themselves forever \u2014 life after death. There&#8217;s that big question through this whole piece \u2014 what is the purpose of life? What do we live for? And when we die, where do we go?\u201d she continues.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn the aria that I sing, my text speaks about returning home to the creator, to God,\u201d Queen says. \u201cObviously this is very specific to Christian religion. And I don&#8217;t want to ignore that, but I also think that we can have a broader approach to it.\u201d She mentions the natural world, and other canons of spirituality.<br \/>\n\u201cIt&#8217;s very big themes, and I think that&#8217;s why a lot of people can feel the emotions that come form listening to this piece.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Both vocalists are looking forward to the performance.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m really, really excited because I thought I wouldn\u2019t get to sing this until way later in my career,\u201d Hezumuryango says.<\/p>\n<p>The music\u2019s message is part of the appeal.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe Resurrection Symphony it&#8217;s called,\u201d Queen adds. \u201cIt&#8217;s the end but not really. The end, but also the beginning. It&#8217;s always a nice kind of message, but especially at a time like this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>For Emily, the timing of the offer early in her career was also a factor in her yes answer to MacDonald\u2019s email invitation.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a privilege to work on this piece,\u201d Rocha says. Finding out a fellow COC Ensemble Studio alumna was also in the ensemble was icing on the cake. \u201cWorking with friends is the best.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>Cathedral Bluffs Symphony Orchestra: A Community Orchestra<\/h3>\n<p>Both singers enjoy the prospect of working with a community orchestra like Cathedral Bluffs.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI haven&#8217;t heard them before, but I do really enjoy collaborating with local orchestras,\u201d says Rocha. \u201cI find it really rewarding. The passion of the players is really inspiring.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMe as well,\u201d adds Queen. \u201cFrom my experience of working with smaller and community focused companies in Toronto, there is always that passion, that spark that is very different from working with companies that are bigger and more established in a different way. The priorities are different,\u201d she explains. \u201cThere&#8217;s a lot of passion of course at COC, but it&#8217;s very different.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Community orchestras are naturally run on different terms<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople wear many different hats,\u201d Hezumuryango notes. \u201cEveryone has to be flexible and give so much. I feel like our first rehearsal together [&#8230;], I feel like I&#8217;m going to be able to feel that energy.<br \/>\nWe really care about this concert.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI&#8217;m really excited to be working with Pax Christi Chorale again. Elaine is wonderful,\u201d Rocha adds. \u201cYou can feel it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Both vocal parts involve singing with the choir, as well as in a solo role.<\/p>\n<p>Queen grew up singing in children\u2019s, then teen choirs in Kitchener. She recalls the real sense of community and commitment.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt&#8217;s so different than the professional world,\u201d she says. Where community choirs and orchestras rehearse for a few concerts all year long, in the professional realm, there are a couple of rehearsals, a show, and the experience is over. \u201cThe bonds are very strong,\u201d she says. \u201cThe music making process is very different.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>At then end, they will all sing together.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFor Mahler&#8217;s music again, it calls for us to be very, very loud, and then very quiet, but all together,\u201d Queen explains. They\u2019ll even be breathing together.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019re really lucky to be doing something like this,\u201d she adds. \u201cIt contributes to my mental health.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>Concert Details<\/h2>\n<p>Cathedral Bluffs Symphony Orchestra\u2019s Darkness To Light takes place <strong>May 30, 2026<\/strong> at the <strong>Chinese Cultural Centre of Greater Toronto<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Find other details and tickets [<strong><a href=\"https:\/\/secure1.tixhub.com\/cathedralbluffs\/online\/b_otix.asp?cboPerformances=89&amp;cboEvent=94&amp;width=1422\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">HERE<\/a><\/strong>].<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><em>Are you looking to promote an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/advertising\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><span style=\"color: #0e101a;\"><u>event<\/u><\/span><\/a>? Have a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ludwig-van.com\/toronto\/masthead\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><u>news tip<\/u><\/a>? 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